Legislature(1997 - 1998)

05/04/1998 09:05 PM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
 May, 1998                                                                     
9:05 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
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SFC 98  # 156, Side A (000-448)                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Bert Sharp, Co-Chair, convened the meeting at                          
approximately 9:05 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-Chair Sharp, Senators Pearce, Donley,                        
Torgerson, Adams, Parnell and Phillips were present when the                   
meeting was convened.                                                          
                                                                               
Also Attending:  Senator JERRY MACKIE; Senator ROBIN TAYLOR;                   
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director, Office of Management and                          
Budget, Office of the Governor; DUGAN PETTY, Director,                         
Division of General Services, Department of Administration;                    
KAREN REHFELD, Director, Division of Education Support                         
Services, Department of Education; JANET CLARKE, Director,                     
Division of Administrative Services, Department of Health                      
and Social Services; KEN BISCHOFF, Director, Division of                       
Administrative Services, Department of Public Safety; DAN                      
FAUSKE, Alaska Housing Finance Corporation, Department of                      
Revenue; JOHN BITTNEY, AHFC, DOR; NANCY SLAGLE, Director,                      
Division of Administrative Services, Department of                             
Transportation and Public Facilities; CHRIS CHRISTENSEN,                       
Staff Council, Alaska Court System; WENDY REDMOND, Vice                        
President, University Relations, University of Alaska; MIKE                    
GREANY, Director, Division of Legislative Finance; FRED                        
FISHER and GINGER PATTON, Fiscal Analysts, DLF; and aides to                   
committee members and other members of the Legislature.                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 360                                                            
"An Act authorizing the issuance of bonds in the amount                        
of $257,600,000 by the Alaska Housing Finance                                  
Corporation for certain capital projects; relating to                          
those bonds and to the appropriation of revenue of the                         
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation; and providing for                          
an effective date."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 360(FIN)                                                
"An Act authorizing the issuance of bonds by the Alaska                        
Housing Finance Corporation for certain capital                                
projects; relating to those bonds and to the                                   
appropriation of revenue of the Alaska Housing Finance                         
Corporation; and providing for an effective date."                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
AMEND #1: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator Adams                    
objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                          
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp spoke to the amendment, which he sponsored.                     
This amendment would delete amount in the title and also                       
changed the amount listed in the body of the bill on page                      
two, to $196,200,000, he explained.                                            
                                                                               
Senator Adams noted the reduction in the bond amount                           
pointing out that this would eliminate funding for new rural                   
schools.                                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp countered that elimination of the amount in                     
the title just gave latitude by not stating an amount.  He                     
didn't want to make restrictions by stating an amount in the                   
title.                                                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if that meant there would be an                            
opportunity to reinstate the deleted projects when the bill                    
reached the other body.  Co-Chair Sharp affirmed.  Senator                     
Adams removed his objection.                                                   
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
AMEND #2: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                   
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted the amendment removed the section,                        
which would repeal the bonding authority after the seven-                      
year period.                                                                   
                                                                               
Without objection, the amendment was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
BOND #3: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained the amendment he sponsored, saying                    
it would add the project list as a separate section.                           
                                                                               
Noting that the wrong version of the amendment was on the                      
table, Senator Pearce REMOVED her motion.                                      
                                                                               
BOND #3 REV: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator                       
Adams objected.  Discussion was as follows.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams wanted to know the cost of bonding some of the                   
smaller projects such as those costing $25,000.  He                            
suggested that it might be cheaper to fund the projects                        
through the general fund.  He pointed out some specific                        
small cost projects.                                                           
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp pointed out that the projects were grouped                      
together for bonding purposes.                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Adams removed his objection.                                           
                                                                               
BOND #3A: Senator Pearce moved to amend BOND #3 REV to add                     
language from BOND #3A. Senator Phillips objected.                             
                                                                               
Senator Phillips said he felt the procedure was improper.                      
                                                                               
Senator Adams stated that he would not object because the                      
amendment contained good projects for the Pioneer Homes and                    
the Department of Education for deferred maintenance.  He                      
noted there were projects missing from this version that had                   
been included earlier.  He detailed some of the ten schools                    
he felt should have been included; saying that the smaller                     
communities did not have the ability to bond school projects                   
and therefore should be included.  He said he would work to                    
have them reinstated when the bill reached the other body.                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp pointed out that a school district's projects                   
had been erroneously removed from the bill and reinstated                      
here.                                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Phillips didn't think this bill should be attached                     
to SB 231.  He felt the two should be separate.  Co-Chair                      
Sharp appreciated the concerns.                                                
                                                                               
The amendment to the amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 5-1-                   
1.  Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator Torgerson                     
was absent.                                                                    
                                                                               
BOND #3B: Senator Pearce moved to amend AMENDED BOND #3 REV                    
to add language from BOND #3B.  Senator Phillips objected.                     
                                                                               
The amendment to the amended amendment was ADOPTED by a vote                   
of 5-1-1.  Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator                        
Torgerson was absent.                                                          
                                                                               
BOND #3C: Senator Parnell moved to amend AMENDED BOND #3 REV                   
to add language from BOND #3C.  Senator Phillips objected.                     
                                                                               
Senator Parnell pointed out that the language should read                      
"page 95".  This amendment would add $5.297 million in the                     
bonding for McLaughlin Youth Center Detention Unit Probation                   
Offices, he explained.  He spoke of the need to improve the                    
facility.                                                                      
                                                                               
The amendment to the amended amendment was ADOPTED by a vote                   
of 5-1-1.  Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator                        
Torgerson was absent.                                                          
                                                                               
The motion was before the committee to adopt AMENDED BOND #3                   
REV.  Senator Phillips objected.                                               
                                                                               
The amended amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 5-1-1.                          
Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator Torgerson was                     
absent.                                                                        
                                                                               
BOND #4: Senator Pearce moved for adoption. Senator Phillips                   
objected.                                                                      
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained the amendment he sponsored as                         
changing the fund source code to AHFC bonds from 1009                          
revenue bonds throughout the list.                                             
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 5-1-1.  Senator                         
Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator Torgerson was absent.                     
                                                                               
Senator Pearce offered a motion to move from committee the                     
amended CS SB 360 (FIN).  Senator Phillips objected.                           
                                                                               
The bill was moved from committee by a vote of 4-2-1.                          
Senators Phillips and Donley cast the nay votes.  Senator                      
Torgerson was absent.                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 231                                                            
"An Act making and amending capital appropriations and                         
reappropriations and capitalizing funds; and providing                         
for an effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 231(FIN)                                                
"An Act making and amending capital, supplemental, and                         
other appropriations; making appropriations to                                 
capitalize funds; making appropriations under art. IX,                         
sec. 17(c), Constitution of the State of Alaska, from                          
the constitutional budget reserve fund; and providing                          
for an effective date."                                                        
                                                                               
DOR #1: Senator Adams moved to rescind action on the                           
amendment.                                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp stated that the reason he originally opposed                    
the amendment was because there was only a request with no                     
backup.  Since that time, backup had been provided and he                      
was willing to reconsider the request to upgrade data input                    
and interface equipment for the mainframe.  He noted that                      
the mainframe was Year 2000 compliant but that the software                    
and data entry equipment needed to be upgraded in order to                     
comply.  The amendment would allow permanent fund money to                     
be used for this Permanent Fund Division equipment used to                     
process and distribute dividends.                                              
                                                                               
Action taken on the amendment was RESCINDED without                            
objection.                                                                     
                                                                               
Senator Adams moved for adoption of the amendment.  Senator                    
Phillips objected.                                                             
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 5-1-1.  Senator                         
Phillips cast the nay vote.  Senator Torgerson was absent.                     
                                                                               
TECH #4: Senator Donley moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp noted this amendment was to fine-tune a                         
correction.                                                                    
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
TECH #5: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator Adams                     
objected for a question.                                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained that this amendment would restrict                    
the use of the state match that previously authorized                          
federal aid highway projects.  The funds could not be used                     
for aviation or other projects.                                                
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
TECH #6: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp explained the amendment would change the                        
funding source definition to general fund from bond fund.                      
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Adams pointed out that he had submitted three                          
amendments that were not included in the packets to be                         
considered.  Co-Chair Sharp promised to look into it.                          
                                                                               
SUP #23: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator Adams                     
objected for a question.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Pearce spoke to her motion saying it would once                        
again amend Section 16 from an earlier version, or Section                     
31 in the new CS.  She again explained the amendment would                     
give FY 98 tobacco tax receipts to the Department of                           
Education for school construction.  She noted there was a                      
lapse date of June 31, 1999.  This latest language was                         
offered at the request of the drafter, she said.                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked that since the funds were to come from                     
the previous year's deficient for school construction, did                     
that make available the exact amount of $15 million that was                   
put in for school construction.  He noted the replacement of                   
general funds with the tobacco tax receipts.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Pearce said that if and when SB 11 passed with a                       
retroactive payment for school districts that had already                      
incurred bonds for school construction, the FY 98 funds                        
would be available to make payments on those bonds during                      
FY99.  If the legislation did not pass, the funds would not                    
be allocated.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Adams remembered the debt service amount for the                       
previous year was about $68 million of general funds.                          
                                                                               
Senator Pearce stated that this amendment would only                           
allocate money if SB 11 or similar legislation passed.                         
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                   
                                                                               
BOND #3 REV: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator                       
Phillips objected.                                                             
                                                                               
BOND #3A: Senator Pearce moved to amend BOND #3 REV to add                     
language from BOND #3A. Senator Phillips objected.                             
                                                                               
The committee took an At Ease resuming at approximately 9:35                   
p.m.                                                                           
                                                                               
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The committee AMENDED the amendment by a vote of 5-2.                          
Senators Phillips and Donley cast the nay votes.                               
                                                                               
BOND #3B: Senator Torgerson moved to amend BOND #3 REV to                      
add language from BOND #3B.  Senator Phillips objected.                        
                                                                               
The committee AMENDED the amended amendment by a vote of 6-                    
1.  Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.                                        
                                                                               
BOND #3C: Senator Pearce moved to amend BOND #3 REV to add                     
language from BOND #3C. Senator Phillips objected.                             
                                                                               
The committee AMENDED the amended amendment by a vote of 6-                    
1.  Senator Phillips cast the nay vote.                                        
                                                                               
Senator Phillips maintained his objection to the adoption                      
the main amendment.                                                            
                                                                               
The committee ADOPTED the amended amendment by a vote of 5-                    
2.  Senators Phillips and Donley cast the nay votes.                           
                                                                               
BOND #4: Senator Pearce moved for adoption.  Senator                           
Phillips objected.                                                             
                                                                               
The amendment was ADOPTED by a vote of 6-1.  Senator                           
Phillips cast the nay vote.                                                    
                                                                               
BOND #5: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Phillips                   
objected.  Senator Adams spoke to his motion.                                  
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-6.                           
Senator Adams cast the yea vote.                                               
                                                                               
BOND #6: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Phillips                   
objected.  Senator Adams spoke to his motion.                                  
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-6.                           
Senator Adams cast the yea vote.                                               
                                                                               
BOND #7: Senator Adams moved for adoption.  Senator Phillips                   
objected.  Senator Adams spoke to his motion.                                  
                                                                               
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-6.                           
Senator Adams cast the yea vote.                                               
                                                                               
This concluded the amendments for the bill.                                    
                                                                               
Senator Pearce offered a motion to move from committee CS SB
231 (FIN).  Senator Phillips objected.                                         
                                                                               
The bill was moved from committee by a vote of 5-2.                            
Senators Phillips and Adams cast the nay votes.                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp announced the next committee meeting would                      
begin the next morning at 9:00.  Senator Pearce announced a                    
conference committee the next day at 3:30 p.m.                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Sharp adjourned the meeting at approximately                          
9:45 p.m.                                                                      
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